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What comes first, the large votes or the engagement?

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I'm sure I read somewhere that the idea here was that a piece of content would steadily gain traction (votes) due to its interesting nature, and rise up through the Hot pages before making an appearance on the home/Trending page.

With the content now in the spotlight, it would potentially gain more votes and/or further engagement from those who are not curating masses of content each day, and are just looking for what should be the cream of the crop.

I could well be wrong with the above, and there are potentially some valid reasons why a post can be highly rewarded but not (yet) have a great deal of engagement. A large stakeholder with for example, 2 million HP, can currently supply a $56 upvote - enough to promote a post to the lower bounds of Trending on their own. They could really like the content, and.or wish to promote their project/app - and it is their stake sooo....


With that being said, I have a table below which was first presented after the 'EIP fork' last year. At the time, promotional services were still around and a pro EIP whale had asked for a list of posts with a decent pending payout value, but with little engagement to show for it.

The link is not formed correctly on purpose, and you will need to add a '@' before the username (a right click and open would be best). 'PPP_Comment' is Pending Payout Per Comment, and the list is ordered by Pending Payout.

Author |Post |Comments|Pending_Payout |PPP_Comment

  • | - | - | - | - samgiset | link | 1 | 87.747 | 87.747 oflyhigh | link | 0 | 84.041 | 84.041 oflyhigh | link | 1 | 81.256 | 81.256 oflyhigh | link | 2 | 80.897 | 40.4485 oflyhigh | link | 2 | 79.612 | 39.806 oflyhigh | link | 2 | 78.825 | 39.4125 oflyhigh | link | 0 | 77.536 | 77.536 colovhis | link | 2 | 76.011 | 38.0055 dannyshine | link | 1 | 74.653 | 74.653 hivewatchers | link | 0 | 69.737 | 69.737 hivewatchers | link | 1 | 69.217 | 69.217 bchainbastards | link | 1 | 69.15 | 69.15 gabox | link | 1 | 68.531 | 68.531 bchainbastards | link | 0 | 67.131 | 67.131 taskmaster4450 | link | 2 | 67.077 | 33.5385 hivewatchers | link | 2 | 65.553 | 32.7765 hivewatchers | link | 2 | 65.161 | 32.5805 freddbrito | link | 1 | 63.325 | 63.325 dbroze | link | 0 | 62.226 | 62.226 hivewatchers | link | 2 | 61.581 | 30.7905 jaguar.force | link | 1 | 60.593 | 60.593 z3ll | link | 2 | 59.782 | 29.891 gabox | link | 0 | 59.384 | 59.384 taskmaster4450 | link | 2 | 59.369 | 29.6845 theouterlight | link | 1 | 59.333 | 59.333 timsaid | link | 0 | 58.626 | 58.626 the38th | link | 2 | 58.448 | 29.224 thetroublenotes | link | 0 | 58.284 | 58.284 guubadoop | link | 0 | 57.784 | 57.784 barbarabezina | link | 0 | 56.775 | 56.775 gabox | link | 2 | 55.733 | 27.8665 theouterlight | link | 1 | 54.945 | 54.945 taskmaster4450 | link | 0 | 54.576 | 54.576 meepins | link | 0 | 53.977 | 53.977 oflyhigh | link | 0 | 53.319 | 53.319 dumb-news | link | 0 | 53.097 | 53.097 strawhat | link | 0 | 52.949 | 52.949 normie.fitness | link | 2 | 52.559 | 26.2795 beelzebubba | link | 0 | 52.092 | 52.092 strawhat | link | 0 | 51.908 | 51.908 gabox | link | 1 | 51.512 | 51.512 jeffjagoe | link | 1 | 50.818 | 50.818 meepins | link | 0 | 50.753 | 50.753 cheetah | link | 0 | 50.351 | 50.351 kommienezuspadt | link | 1 | 50.214 | 50.214 jack.russelle | link | 1 | 50.016 | 50.016 strawhat | link | 0 | 49.807 | 49.807 aggroed | link | 0 | 49.29 | 49.29 hadley4 | link | 0 | 49.269 | 49.269 gabox | link | 1 | 48.667 | 48.667 oflyhigh | link | 2 | 48.306 | 24.153 cheetah | link | 0 | 48.026 | 48.026 lifecoma | link | 0 | 47.653 | 47.653 ybanezkim26 | link | 2 | 47.586 | 23.793 cheetah | link | 0 | 47.402 | 47.402 cheetah | link | 0 | 47.108 | 47.108 cheetah | link | 0 | 47.099 | 47.099 z3ll | link | 1 | 47.011 | 47.011 otemzi | link | 0 | 46.801 | 46.801 b0y2k | link | 2 | 46.047 | 23.0235 lukewearechange | link | 1 | 44.886 | 44.886 cryptoinvestsvk | link | 1 | 44.774 | 44.774 wartrapa | link | 1 | 44.337 | 44.337 activistpost | link | 0 | 44.285 | 44.285 dana-edwards | link | 0 | 43.946 | 43.946 higgs | link | 1 | 43.931 | 43.931 ecotrain | link | 1 | 43.592 | 43.592 maastro | link | 1 | 43.287 | 43.287 practicalthought | link | 0 | 43.053 | 43.053 tonality | link | 0 | 42.865 | 42.865 doitvoluntarily | link | 0 | 42.41 | 42.41 cuvi | link | 1 | 42.349 | 42.349 rivalhw | link | 0 | 42.095 | 42.095 rivalhw | link | 1 | 41.911 | 41.911 hufflepuff | link | 0 | 41.566 | 41.566 lifecoma | link | 1 | 41.544 | 41.544 lockhart | link | 0 | 41.503 | 41.503 d-pend | link | 2 | 41.22 | 20.61 thranax | link | 0 | 41.086 | 41.086 leguna | link | 1 | 40.978 | 40.978 rivalhw | link | 2 | 40.771 | 20.3855 mproxima | link | 1 | 40.71 | 40.71 strawhat | link | 0 | 40.639 | 40.639 thranax | link | 1 | 40.495 | 40.495 higgs | link | 0 | 40.183 | 40.183 lukewearechange | link | 1 | 40.169 | 40.169 honeybee | link | 1 | 39.969 | 39.969 miguelmederico | link | 2 | 39.851 | 19.9255 extractum-lunae | link | 1 | 39.83 | 39.83 lifecoma | link | 0 | 39.705 | 39.705 pinmapple | link | 2 | 39.468 | 19.734 strawhat | link | 0 | 39.43 | 39.43 lifecoma | link | 1 | 39.382 | 39.382 tonality | link | 0 | 39.295 | 39.295 thranax | link | 1 | 39.29 | 39.29 ecotrain | link | 2 | 39.208 | 19.604 inature | link | 0 | 39.108 | 39.108 johnjgeddes | link | 0 | 39.037 | 39.037 vladtepesblog | link | 0 | 38.754 | 38.754 hufflepuff | link | 0 | 38.632 | 38.632 endersong | link | 2 | 38.627 | 19.3135 lorenzopistolesi | link | 0 | 38.585 | 38.585 activistpost | link | 0 | 38.545 | 38.545 cryptoinvestsvk | link | 2 | 38.508 | 19.254 lifecoma | link | 1 | 38.424 | 38.424 emafe | link | 2 | 38.333 | 19.1665 meepins | link | 1 | 38.06 | 38.06 dannyshine | link | 1 | 37.805 | 37.805 lifecoma | link | 0 | 37.795 | 37.795 aipaws | link | 1 | 37.776 | 37.776 sonki999 | link | 1 | 37.773 | 37.773 tonality | link | 0 | 37.706 | 37.706 joythewanderer | link | 2 | 37.283 | 18.6415 cryptoinvestsvk | link | 1 | 37.152 | 37.152 deanliu | link | 1 | 37.082 | 37.082 lifecoma | link | 0 | 37.063 | 37.063 rafarosado | link | 0 | 36.97 | 36.97 activistpost | link | 0 | 36.926 | 36.926 ariapost | link | 2 | 36.907 | 18.4535 drago18121996 | link | 1 | 36.798 | 36.798 lukewearechange | link | 0 | 36.75 | 36.75 hufflepuff | link | 1 | 36.741 | 36.741 cryptoinvestsvk | link | 1 | 36.699 | 36.699 khaleelkazi | link | 1 | 36.308 | 36.308 tonality | link | 1 | 36.248 | 36.248 krnel | link | 1 | 36.238 | 36.238 milaoz | link | 0 | 36.084 | 36.084 lockhart | link | 1 | 36.018 | 36.018 veryspider | link | 2 | 35.816 | 17.908 solrasol | link | 2 | 35.81 | 17.905 leguna | link | 0 | 35.74 | 35.74 makesomething | link | 2 | 35.637 | 17.8185 jaguar.force | link | 0 | 35.523 | 35.523 doitvoluntarily | link | 2 | 35.489 | 17.7445 milaoz | link | 1 | 35.445 | 35.445 rafarosado | link | 1 | 35.418 | 35.418 janasilver | link | 1 | 35.41 | 35.41 meepins | link | 0 | 35.387 | 35.387 originate | link | 1 | 35.356 | 35.356 tonality | link | 0 | 35.348 | 35.348 maxwellmarcusart | link | 2 | 35.311 | 17.6555 gabox | link | 0 | 35.199 | 35.199 oflyhigh | link | 2 | 35.153 | 17.5765

The posts on this list have not been read by myself, and so I have no opinion on how interesting they are.

There are some one hit wonder accounts present, but there are also a bunch of names that pop up time and time again, and some of those appear on the post I wrote the other day regarding a rather impressive/depressing farming operation.

Taking the names on this list above and summing up the all their pending payouts (Over 100$ in total) and the comments on these posts, we have the following:

Author | Pending_Payouts | Posts | Comments

  • | - | - | - taskmaster4450 | 851.097 | 14 | 148 oflyhigh | 845.047 | 14 | 22 krnel | 677.396 | 31 | 174 thetroublenotes | 632.07 | 8 | 51 deanliu | 531.851 | 11 | 84 hivewatchers | 432.301 | 7 | 12 milaoz | 419.775 | 14 | 9 gabox | 400.196 | 12 | 10 strawhat | 341.411 | 10 | 10 joythewanderer | 339.494 | 11 | 79 theouterlight | 334.517 | 7 | 14 lifecoma | 330.543 | 12 | 5 kommienezuspadt | 312.102 | 7 | 36 maxwellmarcusart | 307.739 | 21 | 138 jaguar.force | 288.759 | 7 | 42 cryptoinvestsvk | 285.931 | 9 | 12 samgiset | 280.553 | 12 | 26 bchainbastards | 268.771 | 4 | 30 cheetah | 258.23 | 7 | 0 doitvoluntarily | 240.147 | 17 | 66 thranax | 233.665 | 10 | 7 activistpost | 225.66 | 8 | 3 wartrapa | 223.202 | 9 | 19 timsaid | 218.368 | 4 | 53 lukewearechange | 214.525 | 7 | 4 dbroze | 214.277 | 5 | 10 honeybee | 210.125 | 6 | 21 rivalhw | 206.07 | 10 | 17 d-pend | 200.833 | 5 | 33 sonki999 | 197.264 | 7 | 2 tonality | 193.463 | 6 | 2 ecotrain | 188.087 | 4 | 9 pinmapple | 186.238 | 7 | 64 leguna | 179.711 | 8 | 6 meepins | 178.99 | 5 | 1 dannyshine | 173.066 | 8 | 7 z3ll | 167.262 | 3 | 9 barbarabezina | 164.362 | 17 | 25 lorenzopistolesi | 162.484 | 22 | 23 miguelmederico | 159.36 | 7 | 61 hufflepuff | 155.835 | 5 | 1 cuvi | 152.839 | 6 | 2 rafarosado | 152.379 | 7 | 8 johnjgeddes | 136.707 | 12 | 13 ybanezkim26 | 135.218 | 3 | 13 inature | 129.96 | 11 | 8 lockhart | 127.929 | 5 | 4 hadley4 | 125.824 | 4 | 12 freddbrito | 116.569 | 7 | 7

People will have their own opinions on what seems like a respectable amount of comments and so I'll not make any other comment than that farm (names in bold) has it easy eh?

Opening the query up to include all authors who have pending payouts totaling over $300, it's not hard to work out whos content is more engaging than others / who is responding to the comments they receive:

Author | Pending Payouts | Posts | Comments

  • | - | - | - taskmaster4450 | 851.0970 | 14 | 148 oflyhigh | 845.0470 | 14 | 22 jrcornel | 717.8230 | 21 | 361 tarazkp | 644.8830 | 14 | 385 krnel | 636.3320 | 21 | 119 thetroublenotes | 632.0700 | 8 | 51 claudio83 | 589.1280 | 35 | 46 deanliu | 531.8510 | 11 | 84 themarkymark | 525.3040 | 7 | 225 emrebeyler | 500.8170 | 5 | 113 acidyo | 463.0770 | 8 | 186 hivewatchers | 432.3010 | 7 | 12 lyubovbar | 429.9400 | 14 | 17 milaoz | 419.7750 | 14 | 9 galenkp | 404.8400 | 14 | 396 madushanka | 391.6500 | 20 | 100 gabox | 378.3330 | 9 | 9 nonameslefttouse | 366.9080 | 7 | 215 justineh | 361.0130 | 2 | 290 quochuy | 350.7910 | 3 | 47 edicted | 343.5200 | 10 | 187 strawhat | 341.4110 | 10 | 10 holger80 | 336.5660 | 3 | 23 theouterlight | 334.5170 | 7 | 14 priyanarc | 334.0090 | 14 | 66 joythewanderer | 332.7980 | 10 | 72 hafizullah | 315.2890 | 20 | 58 abh12345 | 313.3700 | 5 | 507 kommienezuspadt | 312.1020 | 7 | 36 lifecoma | 311.5350 | 8 | 5 adelepazani | 309.0010 | 9 | 43 naturalmedicine | 305.5930 | 6 | 54 jaguar.force | 284.0440 | 6 | 34 cryptoinvestsvk | 281.4110 | 8 | 12 maxwellmarcusart | 281.1850 | 14 | 98 samgiset | 269.8230 | 9 | 18 bchainbastards | 268.7710 | 4 | 30 derangedvisions | 267.8130 | 7 | 95 coruscate | 266.3650 | 5 | 75 slobberchops | 264.6480 | 5 | 84 eveuncovered | 258.2970 | 11 | 125 rok-sivante | 257.5150 | 10 | 109 papa-pepper | 251.7980 | 13 | 41 penguinpablo | 249.3170 | 8 | 102 azircon | 248.4730 | 2 | 66 hiveio | 247.0400 | 4 | 292 certain | 246.7330 | 12 | 15 atnazo | 246.2080 | 13 | 8 joshman | 243.9150 | 2 | 54 hiveyoda | 242.7900 | 11 | 23 cheetah | 239.9860 | 5 | 0 offgridlife | 238.0940 | 11 | 92 steemer-sayu907 | 235.0720 | 14 | 25 armandosodano | 232.5690 | 6 | 47 qurator | 227.0670 | 10 | 84 activistpost | 225.6600 | 8 | 3 cryptofinally | 224.8570 | 9 | 26 wartrapa | 220.6160 | 8 | 19 timsaid | 218.3680 | 4 | 53 alexa.art | 215.4120 | 11 | 35 dannystravels | 214.6620 | 7 | 4 lukewearechange | 214.5250 | 7 | 4 dbroze | 214.2770 | 4 | 10 honeybee | 210.1250 | 6 | 21 midlet | 210.0870 | 4 | 43 xxxxxxxxxx | 206.6420 | 4 | 294 ezzy | 206.2540 | 7 | 19 isaria | 206.1360 | 7 | 59 doitvoluntarily | 204.5320 | 9 | 36 mnallica | 204.3350 | 11 | 19 d-pend | 200.7660 | 5 | 33

I'm not suggesting engagement metrics should be used to order a Trending page, as that will certainly be gamed. A bit like if I produce this list too often.

It would be nice though to see a list of posts that have genuine interactions taking place near the top of the pile - new visitors could see that as more of a positive than the number next to the hexagon.


Cheers

Asher