I never use the safety

in hive-139358 •  10 days ago 

This may seem like an irresponsible thing to say, I never use the safety, however irresponsible is the last thing I could ever be called, certainly by people who actually know me. So how than can a shooter like me not use the safety and why do I consider it legit? I'm I glad I asked this question on your behalf, read on for the answer you never knew you wanted. Lol.

Me and my exemplary trigger discipline, even left handed when right is my natural hand. You can see the safety is off. This simple discipline is so often disregarded, especially in the movies, bit is critical.

A little perspective

Before I get going I want to say that this post does not refer to a military situation of any kind. It relates to what I do now, competition shooting, hunting and culling. The military have different requirements and I'd rather not go into it right now as different militaries have different processes.

So this post will relate to my culling duties, something I usually do alone, and to competition shooting at various ranges around the country, and my home range which is a military range. It is not at all relative to military shooting. Savvy?

Culling or hunting

I do this mainly alone but sometimes with one other person; Either way I always keep my rifle in the same condition.

Basically whether mobile, stalking, moving around, or when in a sniper's hide my rifle is in the magazine loaded, bolt closed condition, with no safety on. Now before you tell me how unsafe this is, let me finish. Note I said magazine loaded and not rifle loaded?

So what I do is load the magazine with ten rounds but before I insert it into the rifle I open the bolt, check the rifle is empty, close the bolt and pull the trigger to release the firing mechanism. Only then do I insert the loaded magazine.

This leaves me with a rifle with a closed bolt and a full magazine with no rounds in the chamber.

It doesn't matter what I do, the rifle will simply not fire. I could drop it, kick it, throw it in the air, run it over with my truck...Talk to it nicely...It will not fire as there is no round in the chamber.

When a target presents itself all I need to do is work the bolt up, back, forward and down, and it picks up a round, cocks the firing pin, sets the trigger and pushes the round into the chamber. Only then is it loaded. A pull on the trigger will result in a loud bang and a bullet exiting the muzzle at about 2850 feet per second.

This takes under a second of course, and I'm ready to fire. If I need to do it quietly then it takes longer, but not by much.

Why not use the safety

This is another intelligent question you ask, or I ask on your behalf, I should say.

Because I don't trust the safety is the answer.

My trigger discipline is at expert-ninja-rockstar level meaning I never get my finger near the trigger...But if I tripped and fell? Who knows. With the rifle loaded, cocked and basically in a fire-ready condition...Fall over, bump the rifle safety off and accidentally hit the trigger...Maybe someone get's shot.

I think my way is much safer. It allows me to shoot those ten rounds, reload a second magazine, shoot another ten then the third and so on. When complete I drop the magazine, reload it, check the gun is clear (empty), close the bolt, pull the trigger then insert the mag, just like before. Simple really. Safe too.

Just a note on the long range practical rifle competitions I do. At no time is a rifle to be loaded unless under the command of a range officer. Not even the magazine goes in. In fact only the current shooter, and the next shooter, are even permitted to handle their rifles. On command the shooter loads the magazine and again, no safety is used as they are not relied upon by the shooters or range officers.

I have seen shooters use their safety's anyway though, which is permitted, but then forget to flick it off when the stage begins...Every split second counts in these competitions as they are fiercely contested and losing a couple seconds by doing something like this will often destroy that competition stage.

Handguns

Here in Australia it is against the law to hunt with a handgun and we are unable to carry unless a person has a particular permit which is job-related: Armed guards mainly. Of course government have them; State and federal police etc. but interestingly they are often not shooters in their civilian lives and are unlicensed. They often can't shoot for shit either as their annual qualification process is a total joke. Anyway...Handguns are for ranges. Yes, we can take them home, but no, we can't go walking around with them publicly. Now that's out the way...

At the range we walk around with our firearm holstered and usually with 5-6 full magazines on our belt, so 60 rounds. There could be up to a couple hundred people at a big competition event, but typically under 60 or so, all armed and wandering about.

At no time is anyone permitted to draw their firearm without being expressly commanded to do so by a range officer though. It only happens when at the start position of the shooting stage.

This image shows my holster rig with magazines and handgun inserted. I'm right handed so the gun would be on my right, obviously. The holster is specifically designed for a quick-draw and locks the gun in place with a lever when required.

The command is you may load and make ready. The only exception to this rule is in a designated safe area and no ammunition is permitted there. At the safe area one can unpack and handle the firearm, clean it, practice-draw and pack it away.

Ok, so a few words on the various conditions of a handgun. This is a military concept, devised by a Marine in fact, and is applicable to semi-automatic handguns and some other types of firearms also.

  • Condition 4: Chamber empty, magazine empty and hammer down.
  • Condition 3: Chamber empty, full magazine inserted and hammer down.
  • Condition 2: A round is chambered, full magazine inserted and hammer down.
  • Condition 1: A round chambered, full magazine inserted, hammer cocked and safety on.
  • Condition 0: A round chambered, full magazine inserted, hammer cocked and safety off.

That's a military thing and most militaries around the world have some variation of it. It does not apply to us at the range.

If a person has their firearm in any situation other than totally empty and holstered, unless about to start a stage under the control of a range officer, then they would be jumped on very quickly.

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This image shows the safety on my CZ Shadow 2 9mm semi-automatic...The safety which I never use. Find out why below.

My firing process

This is the process I would go through to begin a stage, run the course of fire and complete it:

  • Make my way to the starting position, holstered with six magazines on my belt loaded and ready.
  • Range officer commands, you may load and make ready.
  • Remove gun from holster, load with magazine and rack the slide This loads a round into the chamber, sets the trigger and firing pin. The gun is now ready to fire.
  • Eject magazine, replace to back of belt on a magnetised holder, take the magazine next to it, load to the gun. This now means I have one in the chamber and ten in the magazine for a total of eleven. (Magazine capacity is limited to ten here in Australia.)

Now at this stage the gun is ready to fire. However I have to holster it to start the stage. This is when some shooters use the safety, those shooting in the OPEN division, which means any modifications are permitted and their first shot can be single action.

I shoot Production division as I prefer all of my shooting to have a practical nature rather than being competition-specific. I need to know all my guns will run in the field and I don't like fancy-pants race guns. (Maybe a different post here I guess.)

So I don't use the safety and then holster. I have to do it differently. I simply can't put a loaded, ready to fire handgun into my holster.

Part of shooting in Production is that the first shot has to be a double action shot. This means that the when the trigger is pulled the hammer has to travel back, then down. Single action is when the hammer is already back and only needs to travel forward to strike the firing pin and fire the round.

So this means I have to manually drop the hammer. Back to the shooting process...

  • Hold hammer with thumb and forefinger of left hand, gently depress trigger and move the hammer down. The gun is now loaded, trigger and firing pin set with the hammer down.
  • Replace gun to holster.
  • That all takes about 5-6 seconds or so and I am ready to begin.
  • Range officer says, is the shooter ready, no answer is required unless it's no.
  • Range officer says standby and presses the random-delay shot timer/starter and on the beep the stage begins. I draw and run and gun.

At this stage I'd be running all over the place, opening doors, climbing barricades, shooting through windows etc. doing whatever the stage required. The range officer runs along behind.

When complete...

  • Range officer says, if you are finished unload and show clear.
  • I exit the last magazine, rack the gun to eject any rounds in the chamber and show the range officer the empty chamber.
  • Range officer, when happy it is empty says, hammer down and holster.
  • I close the slide, pull the trigger to release it on the empty chamber and holster making sure to lock it on which prevents the handgun from falling out.
  • Range officer says, range is clear.

So you can see, at no time does the above process use the safety, but it's incredibly safe.

My holster rig when on. The six magazines are arrayed to my left, positioned for quick access and speedy magazine changes.

Gun ranges are usually run in a very strict manner in accordance with State law. There's no messing around from a safety perspective and each person is stringently controlled. If new shooters turn up they are instructed until deemed safe then signed off. To shoot from a holster a person also needs to qualify. It makes us all feel safe. Of course, if someone wanted to pull a gun and start shooting people some would die, but I've not heard of that happening here.

I've only once seen a person pull their handgun when not under control of a range officer and she got jumped on quickly. She ended up bursting into tears and was consoled by her her husband...But her membership was revoked and she is not permitted on the range anymore. Harsh considering her error was innocent, but what if she was loaded and had shot someone in the back of the head. Nope, there's no exceptions.

So there you have it...A short 2000-word piece on why I never use the safety on any of my firearms.

Firearm safety is never a joke and one cannot ever be too careful. People get killed by accident and the internet is full of people who have shot themselves by accident or carelessness. It happens...But it doesn't have to happen. Training should be undertaken and common sense applied. Shooting is a safe sport if approached correctly, much like driving a car is safe when done correctly. Mistreat either and someone will be hurt or killed.

Thanks for reading.


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Reminds me of black hawk down movie, where he is in the chow line and told to put his safety on. Eric Bana wiggles his index finger and says “this is my safety”

Totally bad ass.

I was going to quote that, but figured I'd keep the post somewhat legit. :)

And entertaining

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Your gun posts rawk man!

And that grenade t-shirt, heh heh. Made me chuckle

And finally... I never use the safety either It's miracle I only have two children!

Lol, yeah I can rabbit on about stuff at times I guess. Hope some of it made some sense.

I love that shirt. Made by a couple of veterans here, Delta Echo Apparel. They do some good work and support vets so I buy some t-shirts.

No safety, but I bet boomy never goes off half-cocked though right?

If only I never went off half cocked!!

They make perfect sense dude. I always find your posts very succinct and we'll written!

Thank you for saying so...I'm not the most educated guy in the world after not finishing high school so I just kind of play it by ear and hope they come out ok. Lol.

Your ear playing is far superior to many that have finished high school!

when I carried as a security guard, we always had one in the chamber when holstered. No safety on the glock 17, from memory. The holster is the safety.
If it comes out, it's ready to dance.
Only time I drew on duty is forever etched in my memory. Multiple alarms so likely a genuine break-in at the bank (turned out to be a cleaner).
Running through a pitch black shopping centre at 3am; suddenly the roar of an engine and some headlights lit up only a few metres from me.
Almost put a hole in the grill of a kids coin-op Brum ride. Turns out they're left on overnight, along with their prox sensor which brings them to life when someone approaches.
It was out, aimed, and I was actively squeezing when I worked out what was going on.

I think the Glock has a decocking lever rather than a safety. My CZ P-09 has the same. Load and rack, then drop the lever which drops the hammer about half way. It's a double action trigger pull from there.

How long were you in security?

Ten years, give or take. Six in the patrol car, probably only 2 of those armed. Expensive to keep the firearm license, with requal shoots every 3 months.
(Cost more than registering my car.)
Not sure it made me any safer. If anything I figured I was finally worth attacking.
If a guy's waiting for me with a pipe, he's going to get himself a gun.

A long time really. 10 years.

A lot of time alone, thinking, in the middle of the night. I was a completely different person by the end of it.

In a good way you mean? (Better person). One of my mates was in Police security services, it did his head in.

Yeah, that covers a lot. They do a heap of speed camera stuff. I turned all that down, just private security. Mostly rattling doors on bakeries and schools in the middle of the night. Driving around, lost in thought.
I think I'm better for it.
Turned my head into a playground and thought through a lot of confusing stuff until it made sense. Personal, economic, spiritual, political.
Some of the magic is gone, but I'm a lot more confident in my conclusions.

It's good when a person's job also holds value from an emotional and spiritual sense in the rest of a person's life.

My 40 caliber self defense pistol is specifically designed without having a safety mechanism. I got the Smith and Wesson SD40-VE. It's a nice budget gun. They desgined it specifically to not have a safety because in the event that you are being attacked it is one less thing you have to do before you can fire your gun. As a result the trigger has an 8 pound trigger pull.

8 lbs trigger. As long as you're The Rock you can fire it! Lol.

Seriously though, does it have a de-cocking lever?

It is striker fired so no.

I see.

It's been pretty interesting reading this, and it's something that I've never thought of before. Now that I think of it, it's certainly an advantage to having no rounds in the chamber at all, rather than having if loaded and trusting the safety to do it all.

Those scenarios, like accidentally bumping the safety to 'off', could really be dangerous. I'm glad to have learned more about this :-)

Also, that trigger safey is just... 👌

Lol...Good gif. One day I'll work out how to add them to my comments too.

I just use GIPHY as the easiest way to find GIFs. Hopefully it'll be still be grand, now that Facebook's bought them.

I'll just find a nice GIF, and click "Share Link" (not the URL, mind ), and then copy that link here...

Ayyyy...!

So, my mastery of the gif proves you can teach a old G-dog new tricks.

You certainly can, even if that dog is as old as time itself XD

Like a dinosaur. 🦖

That's straight up Rambo stuff here phewwwww

I had no ideas there were strict laws, in my country gun ranges are scarce because carrying firearm can make you a scape goat to state police really. Whoooooo 20000 words I had to read, go come back and come back again

Countries have different gun laws depending on their needs and, of course, there are those who possess guns illegally who flout those laws. I do not as I am not a criminal. I do have a lot of guns though and enjoy my hobby immensely. Do you shoot yourself, have guns I mean?

I'm scared of guns and I've never held one exactly, I think it's because of the situation of the country really. So you absolutely have the right to own a gun since you're not breaking any law?

Yeah, I have loads of guns, all legal of course.

Wow so much details and so much discipline is required. I think a lot of self confidence and learning is necessary to be able to pull this off.

A lot of effort goes into what I do, it has to as shooting at long range accurately requires it. I'm lucky to have some skills and be open enough to learn new ones. What I feel very fortunate about is that I don't just build my skills in a single area. I have survival skills, gun/shooting skills, medical, mechanical etc. Plus life skills, work, interpersonal and the like. I feel well-rounded in general. I'm not an expert at anything, except in pursuit of greater knowledge and understanding. Keeps life interesting.

I agree. Acquiring skills is a great thing to do, it makes you grow as a person

What's planned for the weekend darlin'?

Painting😍

A nice succinct answer.

Very educational. No round in the chamber = no round being fired.

It makes sense doesn't it? Many load a round when hunting though, then rely on the safety. No one I hunt with though.

Yes it does. I see it as “removing the risk”.

There's enough risk involved just through the nature of the beast I guess, no point adding to it. Of course, there are times when I may move with a round chambered, maybe into a better position to shoot a target, but after 30 years of shooting it's all done pretty safely. I lift the bolt into the up position which will not allow the gun to fire. It's not ideal, but better than missing the target.

I guess with culling split seconds count?

It can yes. Hunting too. A short second can make the difference of the shot being possible or not, and responsible hunters, and certainly profession cullers, will not take a shot on a maybe.

Smart choice.

That's a lot of interesting info and some awesome guns you have there. Thanks for sharing it was a good read 👍

Hi there and thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to read it...It's long, I know. :)

It doesn't seem like there's many gun people around here which is not a bad thing I guess. I write these things to demonstrate that it's not all about drinking 15 beers and shooting watermelons in the back paddock.

Glad you liked it.

It really was a good read and i see you have the care and respect of guns and use them the right way by not wasting bullets on watermelons beers and guns is a bad cocktail...lol 😆

Have a great weekend and stay safe 👍

Yeah, you too...Not too much beer and watermelon shooting now ok? Lol

Lol...advice taken will have to think of something else now 😆 😆

Lol.

That's some great weapons you have there and useful interesting information you have shared good luck with your competition shooting and be safe 👍

I didn't think talking to a gun nicely or otherwise could make it fire XD

Unless it's Who Framed Roger Rabbit

They often can't shoot for shit either as their annual qualification process is a total joke.

So basically the firearms are for intimidation factor? o_O

Yes, exactly. Cops are terrible shooters generally, here anyway. they do qualification at my club sometimes...It's a joke. You know, here they don't even have an assigned handgun. Each day they check out a gun and it may be different each time. I'm not sure how they expect to shoot well with a gun not sighted for their eye. Quite frightening really. Plus, they don't get to practice their draw, reloading etc. Drawing their guns would be so foreign a thing for them... Doing it in a pressured situation will exacerbate their inexperience.