Hive Frontends Posts Share | Which frontend is the most used?

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Time to look at the Hive frontends. I have done this report three months ago, but we have some movements lately and its good time to revisit.

Unlike the traditional media the Hive blockchain has many frontends. Some of them are niche specific, other more general.
What is the usage of each of them? How many posts are posted from the individual frontends? What is the trend? Are some getting more traction than others?

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We all know blogging dApps are not the only ones build on Hive. Games are taking advantage of the Hive blockchain and we are already seeing more of them build each day. Splinterlands opened the gate for games on Hive, and now we have many more.

Here we will be looking only into the blogging apps.

The period that will be analyzed is March 22nd to November 18th, 2020.

Hive.Blog

The generic Hive frontend. Its open source as well. Here is the chart.

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A spike in the number of posts early one when the blockchain was created and when the price went up. At the top there was 1500 posts created per day. In the last period this number is just bellow a 1000.

Peakd

The chart for Peakd.

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There is a small difference between the chart for Peakd and Hive.Blog. The decline seems to be smaller here, but still we can see a downtrend in the last period. The price has a lot to do with this.

Around a 1000 posts per day from Peakd in the last period.

Number of daily posts from Ecency

Ecency has been around for a long time as well. The old name was esteem. Here is the chart.

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More volatility here even than Hive.Blog. A downtrend in the last period getting to 100 posts per day.

Number of daily posts from 3Speak

The number of posts/videos from the Hive video platform.

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The video platform on Hive, 3Speak. A steadier numbers here in the numbers of uploads. A constant number between 100 and 150 video uploads in the last period.

Number of daily posts from Exxp/Steempress

The chart for the Hive blockchain WordPress plugin.

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Some up and down numbers here, but overall a small down trend.

Number of daily posts from LeoFinance

The chart for LeoFInance.

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LeoFinance has been growing and this chart show that as well. A very clear uptrend. In the last period there is a 150 posts per day. Compared to the 1000 from Peakd or Hive.Blog, the numbers are smaller but will be interesting will Leo be able to catch up at some point in the future.

Number of daily posts from all Hive frontends

Here is the chart for all the Hive frontends posts per day combined.

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We can see that Peakd and Hive.Blog are dominant in the number of posts.
But the trend seems to be in more diversification of the frontends. Even slightly but it seems that more posts are starting to come from different frontends. Hive.Blog has lost most of its dominance.

Overall, there is a downtrend in the number of posts on the blockchain, but some frontends are showing a constant or increasing numbers of posts like leofinace and the microblogging apps.

Hive Frontends Rank

Here is the chart for the overall number of posts from the top Hive frontends for the last 30 days, Oct 18 to Nov 18, 2020.

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Peakd is the most used Hive frontend now. It has surpassed the Hive.Blog frontend. A 30k to 23k posts in the period. Its not even that close.
This is generally interesting development, as we can see another frontend taking over the Hive.Blog. Back in the Steemit days, the blogging was heavily done from the steemit.com frontend.
This shows that there is more than one dominant web build on the Hive blockchain and it is overall healthy for the ecosystem. It will be great to see more dapps build and attracting their own audience.
We can also notice there is rising projects like LeoFInance that might become competitive with the top ones. 3Speak is also having some big plans.
The microblogging dApps, dBuzz and dapplr are also growing. Some of the tribes like weedcahs and neoxian on the list as well.

All the best
@dalz

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Cool overview. Here is leofinance.io the exception, which I'm glad to see.

Usually people don't post when the price is low, which from a financial point on mid-long run term it does not make sense. Now more stake can be acquired from a single post, because the value is lower. On 10x the prices now,a lot of people would be posting, taking more of the printed share out. So it would be counter-intuitive to do so.

Most wins are done in the crisis. Who makes profit now, will run the show later.

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Thanks!

Yep, the posting is heavily corelated with the price.
I think even for the long term hivers around here :)
The competition is low now, so yes, one can achieve more now than when the price is hard. Just people cant find the motive to do it now I guess. Also some are probably not so sure about the project in general.

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With Hive I can say, that I still have some doubts, because it was very easy to nullify the HP. It was technical a fork, not an airdrop. Also there is to much power concentrated around a circle and most of the other stakeholders are left out. I'm not negative talking anything, just pointing up some stuff that can relate to trust issues for the future.

But with the communities, I think there can be a good growth and people will see the potential.

Keep on posting :)

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Usually people don't post when the price is low, which from a financial point on mid-long run term it does not make sense.

a great number of users have little or no idea about the financial part of the game, they don't know if the price is low, they can earn more. This is good in a way as the reward pool is distributed to fewer users.

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a great number of users have little or no idea about the financial part of the game, they don't know if the price is low, they can earn more. This is good in a way as the reward pool is distributed to fewer users.

This is where mathematics is failing in school. Showing how it can be applied to every day needs. Also math is tight to economics, which is also not well described.

Well, for the active ones it is good.

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I couldn't agree more. In some countries school programs is about everything but the kids. Math is tied to almost everything, even sewing to name one.

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If you speak about sewing, cool etsy store you have. :)

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Thank you, I'm glad you like it :)

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Really interesting information as usual @dalz!
Thanks for sharing. It is curious how the number of posts is declining in hive.blog and peakd.com but the Alexa rank is rising...
I am not sure what is the cause for that.

Cheers.

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Is the alexa rank up for hive.blog?
Might be just more clicks on exsisting content. People reading more about crypto :)

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Yes, that what I thought.
It is growing for all the platforms (I've not searched Ecency).
I wrote a post talking about that:

https://leofinance.io/hive-126009/@resiliencia/leofinance-traffic-is-growing-the-flippening

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Number of daily posts from LeoFinance is just keep going up!!

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Yep, up and up!

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Comments too. 😁😁

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Great insight about Hive frontends and glad to see LEO Finance braking barriers in the field and heading to rise on the ladder. I see it in the near future in Top3 based on the value that it brings and the expanding efforts that the team puts into.

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Is there any way to check for consumer accounts? Accounts that signed on, made a token purchase (small or large), and show signs of only voting and leaving comments.

That's a lot of posts or in other words, a lot of product. I'd really like people to see how low the actual dedicated consumer numbers are. I've been pointing this out for years and in this business, those consumers are supposed to outnumber posters or creators by a huge margin. I don't even understand why it's so important to show how much product we're creating here when it's not technically being consumed or purchased.

Look how full our shelves are! Now, in business, what's the next obvious step? Hmmm? ;)

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Yes I know what you mean!
We haven't been able to attract consumers.

There is some info about page views and visitors on sites like
https://hypestat.com/info/peakd.com

How many people visit Peakd.com each day?
• Peakd.com receives approximately 88.7K visitors and 718,783 page impressions per day.

88k per day just for Peakd. Hive.Blog has around 140k.
Overall more than 200k.
For reference we might have around 10k active monthly users.

Now the thing is these are random internet consumers. They are not engaged with the platform in the way we natives are.

Maybe we should put a banner on the top of our frontends get paid for clicking the like button :) ... and invite them to join.

P.S the positve thing is that we have consumers, they are just in the shodows, and we havent been able to bring them to light :)

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Most people are not content creators, they are consumers. Those consumers can earn, for consuming. I've pointed this out before but earning 5 cents for a comment is more than all consumers earned in ten years on Youtube.

That's a huge fail in my mind if the site is attracting that many outsiders randomly, while for years the place is looking for investors, and here we are sitting on a frickin goldmine, completely ignoring the nuggets.

In another comment earlier today I pointed out these outsider consumers should be able to comment as guest accounts, and stake holders should be able to reward/interact with those comments, but the consumer can't receive those rewards until they sign up officially. From they they can be taught all about how to earn as a consumer. It's a way to get them in the door, and it's an age old proven business model known as The Tourist Trap. Might sound ugly but it works well, and other tourist traps typically take the consumer money, but here it's a give and take system.

I'm still perplexed though when I think about why so many here can't seem to see the potential in that market of consumers, or even think about it. Hardly a mention of it anywhere until I start yapping about it, it seems.

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Those consumers can earn, for consuming. I've pointed this out before but earning 5 cents for a comment is more than all consumers earned in ten years on Youtube.

Already happening on Leofinance.

In another comment earlier today I pointed out these outsider consumers should be able to comment as guest accounts, and stake holders should be able to reward/interact with those comments, but the consumer can't receive those rewards until they sign up officially.

Again already on Leofinance. People can log in using Metamask and post just like anyone else. Shortly, Twitter accounts will be added.

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Great news for LEO, but that's only one magazine on this entire multi-media Hive rack. We love crypto here, and money talk. The rest of the world pays attention to other things and everything else, more. PeakD is offering the tasty salad of everything, so this potential should be realized, especially when one can clearly see how something as small as LEO can pull it off.

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Without a doubt the other communities and front ends need to follow suit.

3Speak had implemented a guest account feature some time back for their platform too.

So a few did it but most did not.

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The part that concerns me now is attracting capable people who can see there's tremendous value and potential in these communities and front ends; those who can take charge, build/maintain. It's easy to fill the shelves with product, and should be much easier to sell this product by attracting the consumer breed of investor. Also a common goal must be to create healthy competition within this ecosystem. People who want to score goals (communities) but will also pass the puck so the entire team can win (Hive). The other type of competition that gobbles up what it can take then goes off on its own is unhealthy competition and we've seen that occur on a few occasions already.

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This is a huge step forward and I guess other frontends should follow and Leofinance is not for everyone. Non-financial content consumers should have a chance to engage logging in with their social media accounts. Would open up a new door.

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that, 100% agree:

I pointed out these outsider consumers should be able to comment as guest accounts, and stake holders should be able to reward/interact with those comments, but the consumer can't receive those rewards until they sign up officially.

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Good point.

From my understanding, most front ends serve producers not consumers.

All I see is people shifting over to Leo as Leo price increases. A sensible tactic on a personal level.

It's also a sign Leo is doing well, but it's also a sign of how niche Hive still is.

But, unless the quality goes way up (let's face it most people aren't quality financial content creators), the quantity won't make a difference.

I still have to scroll past dozens of highly 'rated' posts about Hive and Leo to find anything of value or interest. And when I bring it up, I'm told most people HERE are interested in this. Fair enough, and I do find the odd crypto post I like. But well over 99.99% of finance has nothing to do with Hive or Leo.

The best I see is some TA tutorials or decent discussion of crypto news.

I dream for the day I can come to Leo Finance quality insight.

This tells me few care about the bigger picture and only interested in personal gain and preaching to the choir.

If typical posts about typical topics are typically rewarded, we can expect to see nothing untypical.

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most front ends serve producers not consumers.

"Get paid to produce content" is the common selling point and probably the biggest ongoing error for the past over four years now. Focusing only on crypto and the crypto crowd is another common mistake we see happening regularly. The quality doesn't really matter when it's not up to a massive market of consumers to decide what's good, organically. Typically in content production, some of the money earned goes into producing bigger and better content but since consumers don't drive the price of the token up, it's hard to make a decent living, then improve the content, which leads to the platform looking more professional. I wrote a bit about that progression stuff at least once.

Personal gain and preaching to the choir... ugh. Another thing I'd call a mistake.

I mean, it's not all bad and I do see progress. Some good things to talk about, sure, and I could say a few things but I guess this isn't that conversation... LOL

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BuT mY DOwnVotiNG is AN ArT!!!

It seems I read and engaged with that post. Thanks for the memories.

You are right about the whole get paid to produce mentality. I think it is relevant and can help content producers. But I also know both you and I understand this isn't the priority.

I also see progress which is why I brought up Leo. They found a niche that seems to be able to work well on Hive.

I believe it was mentioned in another comment thread here that Hive readership is increasing by people interested in older crypto articles.

I've actually deleted some of my oldest articles I thought were absolute trash (technically still available sans photos), mostly about crypto. I feel 2+ years makes it obsolete.

Actually that brings me to another point, who owns the content if the content cannot be deleted by its creator?

I haven't been around as much recently, due to external affairs, but I'm glad I ran into you again.

I'm not a crypto blogger even though I own crypto. I'm not a finance blogger even though I own stocks. I like posting photos and writing about my experiences. Sometimes I put in a lot of effort, but was never doing it just for the rewards. If Hive worked as I want it to, I probably wouldn't have cared if my rewards went down, or even want to call them rewards.

I don't get rewarded to do my day job.

Being part of a platform which can develop into quality content creators getting quality payment has been very interesting, I really want to see it develop further. That's why I've stuck around.

I like your art blogs and writing, and I think you also have very reasonable points on how to attract good content creators.

I hope these ideas are discussed more. Why did Hive drop 100+ in the ranks during the past 3 years? There definitely haven't been 100 better blockchains created and Hive is one of the chains with the most information and noise.

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You raised good questions here. Who will answer?

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I was hoping people who read and comment.

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I'm using ecency. :)

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A lot of material does become obsolete rather quickly. Nearly all of the bitcoin went up or down style posts became obsolete before even publishing. News isn't news for very long. What does hold value are the arts/entertainment style. Photos look just as good as the day they came out. Jokes are funny any day of the year. Music ages well. Travel blogs and general life stories give viewers/readers a chance to look back. Much of that arts/entertainment world has a long shelf life. People still admire those things even when they're hundreds and sometimes thousands of years old. Old books are still read. Even some of the first Youtube videos are still being viewed a decade later. Science, tech, gaming, etc. That's all good too, when combined with a personality. The information itself is fine but folks tend to tune in more to the people producing it. Linus Tech tips, Bill Nye, Dr Disprespect, as examples. Hunter S. Thompson is a fine example of how to pull it off in writing.

There was/is a lot of potential to create these things that attract consumers but over the years I've noticed those with clout don't understand this entertainment business, and for some strange reason couldn't see how it's a product that generates attention, consumers, and therefore, money. Too busy fiddling with knobs and moving the goalposts, focused on squeaking out tiny crypto profits, creating an environment that suits them and chases others away. Creators are viewed as leeches and token poachers, which is why they want us off the Hive token and thrown into a closet to work for random shit coins created from thin air that could collapse at any moment and without Hive acting as a main layer of support, it seems like they're headed in a direction where most projects fail, but they still get to squeak out a few tiny profits. Ever since they introduced this new direction a couple years back, fewer and fewer take an interest. Sure this place attracts a lot of amateurs but many who produce a product for a consumer do have a business mind. It's a ghost town but there is progress. It'll be hard to replace those who got chased away or taken for granted.

That post I linked. Why did I write that? At the time, artists were being treated like trash, and I was one of them. It didn't bother ME personally, but I knew saying, "Your art is being over rewarded," was a REDICULOUS concept and I was right, because now the artists simply go over to a platform like Makersplace and make hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars per sale. That's just a fancy way of pointing out how this economy on Hive lost out on potential millions of dollars in consumer money pouring in our doors here. For years I've been trying to point out how those consumers and their money, those are the investors this platform is looking for. Tim Pool grew his channel from nothing to interviewing Alex Jones live in front of over a million people. The tips were pouring in. Thousands and thousands of dollars from consumers within minutes. Then Youtube takes their 30% and deletes the video. Consumers got ripped off, that can't happen here, they actually get a far better deal. And these people here are saying content is being over rewarded, chasing producers away, and losing out on millions in potential investment, because they think a content creator is a leech hurting their bottom line.

Why did Hive drop 100+ in the ranks during the past 3 years?

What I said probably has something to do with it.

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I did write some good crypto tutorials, but I even feel those become obsolete.
It is nice looking back at some of the news stories too even crypto news because it does give me an idea of what people were getting excited about and what happened.
I'm sure you know the regular shills here and most of them learn and progress, too. It has some value, but nothing like art.

Digital photos and art are as fresh as the day they were created. I actually took some pictures of landmarks while they were under construction and some even before they were destroyed capturing history. My favourite example is here. Some pissed off farmer with mental issues burnt down a historical landmark a few months after I took a photo of it. I went back this January and took the same photo of the reconstruction.

I felt that it was a seriously unrewarded post. This lends to another issue - the payment window. For things that go obsolete quickly like news, I get it. However, for things like art and entertainment, it does make no sense. Who wants to put their stuff on a platform only to get cheated out of value because of bad timing or whatever. It's also why I never feel guilty about deleting stuff like photos that actually aren't stored on the blockchain.

I do remember people saying you were over rewarded and that was confusing me. Your posts usually have a lot of high-quality engagement, too. I understand Hive is supposed to be more, but there is a proposal system for development and curators can reward whatever the hell they want. Obviously, they want to reward the good stuff. But unless it's outright abusive, the way things are set up favours gaming the system.

I actually thought the hard fork splitting Steem would see Hive put its focus back on to community and blogging, but it doesn't seem to have happened. Maybe it even accelerated the move away from that.

It's a ghost town but there is progress. It'll be hard to replace those who got chased away or taken for granted.

I also think you are right about the first part and think people with clout around here need to carefully consider the second part. After the split, I took a lot of my investment out of here because that pump relative to BTC was too hard to ignore from an investment standpoint (I moved it into BTC no regrets these days ;).

I'm currently taking a little more out. It's not because I feel like Hive will die. It won't, it's way more useful than 99% of cryptocurrencies and has survived a lot of bullshit. It's because I just don't feel like curating crap anymore.

I hope your art is doing well on other platforms (assuming you are using them) so you can get that fancy printer you mentioned you wanted.

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I actually thought the hard fork splitting Steem would see Hive put its focus back on to community and blogging, but it doesn't seem to have happened. Maybe it even accelerated the move away from that.

It did seem like when the 'community' banded together, and everyone played a role, big or small, in making this Hive thing a reality... it did seem like a mutual respect was building. It didn't take long though for people with a bit of clout to start acting like, "Well if it wasn't for me, you wouldn't be here right now." People aren't going to bend the knee to attitudes like that. We're not married to the place and who the hell wants to be in an abusive partnership with zany narcissists? Nobody.

After the split, I took a lot of my investment out of here because that pump relative to BTC was too hard to ignore from an investment standpoint

I had an ace up my sleeve. Started dumping Steem, doubled my stake here, had some Hive stashed away, took advantage of that pump, was thinking about pulling the trigger and whaling up here when the time was right but decided not to when I was getting pushed around and noticed others were being chased away, that's basically when I stopped buying Hive altogether thinking the place was doomed with those folks going on the warpath. So yeah, it's cool Bitcoin went up. Didn't make massive profits but it's better than losing. Actually did well and still have one third of my Steem for a rainy day. Stretched the other two thirds pretty far. Total fluke though. Can't plan these things.

As for buying Hive now... I'm confused. They want to create second layer tokens for communities, thinking that's going to bring new money in, but in reality, people will simply dump Hive for those other tokens, since holding Hive without a connection to the reward pool seems kind of useless for the ACTIVE type user here. Seems Hive token will exist to appeal to the pump and dump crypto crowd that never cares about projects and the average Joe won't have much of a use for it aside from maybe a bare minimum staked in order to transact a few times per day. Nobody will buy more than they need, and there's already enough tokens out there that offer ROI for holding so it's not like that crowd needs HIVE since they already have multiple solutions. That is no way to create demand. New money won't come in. These folks will just recycle second layer rewards into renting bare minimum Hive delegation from the people who think turning Hive into that is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Then I heard talks they want to create scarcity with resource credits, making them more expensive over time, and they don't even realize that creates and environment where most businesses fail or can't get off the ground due to high costs. Similar to rent spiraling out of control in a mall. The land lords make money, but destroy their own goddamn revenue stream in the process as the mall loses business and boards itself up. But I guess that's what happens when you let the construction workers call the business shots.

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I just deleted a very long response. Damn this is depressing to think about. Glad you had second thoughts about becoming a whale. You probably still wouldn't be able to change a damn thing. I completely agree with the lack of need for inflation, the problems with the proposal system and your last sentence.

Stake based voting is great for some things, but remember all that talk about the power is with the community

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The real, major problem, is the fact everything is based on rumor. There's no clear concrete direction. Much of what I see simply confuses the shit out of me and I'm only left with questions. Finding answers is damn near impossible. I can see some good direction but I have trouble tying it all together. How does a community get off the ground if the Hive token isn't there to help support it? Is someone just going to write a random blog post about a dapp, a token, and expect money to flood in. Are creators or consumers going to be attracted to fledgling tokens forced to succeed by starting from scratch? How many tokens does a consumer need to buy in order to support multiple platforms? Shouldn't the first be attracted to HIVE token, then decide from there if they would like added perks? Maybe I'll stumble into something I like, but don't own their currency. I have to spend hours getting set up, because I liked something for five minutes, and I'm not sure if anything else appeals to me? With a main token on a standard reward pool I could still support that club and help it out, but move on to the next. You know how much of a pain in the ass it is travelling and having to exchange currencies. I'm thinking, I hope that's not the business model we're attempting here. But honestly at this point it's all a guessing game, so of course that makes it hard to decide when and how to invest.

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And another question is how many bloody accounts will one need in order to benefit the most from one chain? I already see folks with an account for every tribe and I already know that's not going to fly for millions of regular folks who like things to be simple and stupid.

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It depends on what I write, in the past days I am using Leofinance.io but if I will be posting about my cats I might use ecency since I have a mobile app.

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The long term results will come from the applications that do the best job of bringing in their own users. The "fight" over the existing ones is just move deck chairs around.

It would be interesting to see what these numbers looked like for commenting on each front end. Although you do have some like Actifit that puts up an automatic comment for each post.

Always enjoy the number reports to chart how things are going.

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It would be interesting to see what these numbers looked like for commenting on each front end.

It would be interesting to see that, but it would not be a fair number, since one of the frontends incentivizes comments, by handing out points that can be used to boost, promote your or other users posts. This is driving those who are after earning a few cents out of this.
However, I'd like to see if it makes a difference and if those eager to earn points are more than those who care more about what the frontend has to offer.
@dalz, can you share the statistics for comments/frontends?

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Thanks!

Onboarding is the key, that is what its certain at this point.
Hope a bull run will give us some push in the back :)
The commenting side is interesting as well, will put it in the to do list for the next report.

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Peakd has a lotof features on desktop but it does not work well with mobile phone.

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True!

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For the past two weeks, I have been using LeoFinance more than PeakD. I have made only one post on PeakD and about 7 posts using LeoFinance. And I think I haven't commented this much in a long time, I have been making up to 20 comments/replies a day on LeoFinance.

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That's a nice engagement rate!

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Very informative post. The step further would be to take into account the kind of posts come out of these frontends, why they have that numbers and their possibilities! for example the majority of posts in actifit are usually the same (number of steps) something that is extremely easy to be produced!

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Thanks!
Maybe just a info on the lengths of the posts will do it.

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I'm switching between peaked and Leo,I have a better feed on peaked but Leo has better engagement. The price of Hive has gone up 5% in the past hour...anything could happen and it could be right now

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#meto :)

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I generally use Peakd to read and post posts and have always enjoyed it. I also recently used Dapplr but lately I have problems posting and comments.

Leofinance remains the reference front end for the financial sector :)

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Yea its becoming interesting switching between different sites :)

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I understand why people post less when the price is low but it doesn't make $€n$€ to me.
I use mostly peakd but I like all the frontends. It's nice to have options.

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3speak numbers are disappointing! I feel like that's been the place we've been lagging the most....3speak doesn't seem to have been able to attract the same kind of passionate community that wants to build the platform. I don't blame anyone for that, it takes a lot to manage a community, let alone a platform with tech and coming token and a frontend. I hope they can get it together. I'm personally working on @crossculture, just a community for now, but hopefully I can pull together enough people and excitement to find developers who can help us build a front end and coin later on. Also trying to find ways to incentivize some more outreach in youtube comments because that's how I found steem and I think it's way more effective than twitter when it's on the right videos.

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Leofinance is neck and neck with ecency.
Gresat report to look at and see where the traffic
is coming on the blovkchain

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The Peakd leading...
J personally use the @ecency and sometime if the poat is related to finance then leofinanace is my first choice....
The data is very interesting
Thanks for sharing...

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